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a little knowledge ...

It seems that the moderator of darkpaganism didn't like my post from yesterday. I had intended to ask people there about which particular 'dark' deities they worked with by preference ... I've placed a comment in her latest post to ask why that query was rejected.

Things there are going to crawl for a while with everyone under moderation and each post being deliberated over before approval or rejection.

In the meantime, I ran across a post from 'Sally' asking for advice about performing an exorcism for a client. (For anyone who's joined the flist since Samain/Beltaine, check the link here : http://moondark-lady.livejournal.com/18180.html) Given the history I have with this person, I was really alarmed. She has no experience whatsoever with dealing with this sort of thing - and her post shows that the initial exorcism she tried was bungled, and the entity has resurfaced (if it was ever gone) and is making even more trouble.

Yes, she was there when I performed an exorcism for a mutual friend (the one I'm writing up in the 'Azazel and Lilith' entries - and I'll finish them very soon, honest!). But she did none of it - her work consisted of helping to stabilise our friend's aura while I actually exorcised the fucker, and then she did some extensive healing work. I'll say this for her - she is a good healer, she has the experience and the talent.

But exorcism's a different kettle of fish altogether. It's dangerous and complex. You don't just barrel in there with bell, book and candle and scream "Out, demon, out!" And you don't go confronting an unknown entity with next to no knowledge or experience. Even if it's an exorcism-of-place (as opposed to a simple house-clearing/blessing), there are a lot of things you need to consider. For whatever reason, I have been able to develop an ability to discern and deal with these entities - be they unwittingly created thoughtforms, barely-aware bundles of energy or actual beings. When I started doing it - out of necessity rather than any attempt to seek it out - I was useless. It took a lot of help from a CM friend to help me see my way clear. It's taken 16 years to get to the point where I felt able to help my friend, and that wasn't done without a lot of preparation and research - and a lot of help from the Gods.

The thought that 'Sally' is doing this now is extremely unsettling. I'm concerned for the client - not just because she is posting details about this working on the internet (which is consistent with her inability to Keep Silent), but because she doesn't know what she's doing. And stupidly, I'm concerned for her, too - in spite of everything, the betrayals, the lies, the continual snide crap about me that crosses my path far more often than I need to ever know about, in spite of all that.

Not that she'd even begin to listen to me if I tried to tell her. I've replied to someone else's comment in the thread, and all I can do is hope she won't simply scroll past it the moment she sees my name. (Yes, I feel partly responsible. When we helped our friend, it was the first taste she'd ever had of exorcism workings, and she was incredibly enthusiastic afterwards - to the point where she suggested we work together to do this for others. I turned the idea down immediately - I have enough crap in my life without looking for any more - but I can't help thinking she decided to go ahead anyway.)

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beautifulpyre
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:24 am (UTC)
Oh! Is your interest in my tulpa experience related to your practice of exorcism? I have a lot of theories about exorcism and some experience, but not as much as I'd like. I'd be terribly fascinated to learn of your work when you are willing to share.
moondark_lady
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:33 am (UTC)
Actually, my interest in your tulpa experience was triggered by some very familiar feelings. In earlier entries, I referred to my Otherself ... we merged at Samain this year.

I'm still trying to figure out what she is/was ... tulpa, fragment personality, maybe even HGA?

As for exorcisms in general, I'll finish that entry about the one I mentioned in this post (honest!), but I'd love to hear anything about it from your own experiences and theories.
beautifulpyre
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:47 am (UTC)
Well, I have also noticed that many of the entities I've come across have been thoughtforms far as I could tell and often seem attached to certain areas of a house or locale. Sometimes I think the best thing to do is to change the flow of energy in a house. Move things around so that fresh chi is coming into those areas that feel the most haunted because they often seem to be stale corners, places where energy gets stuck and programmed.

I think probably the biggest challenge with a haunting is changing how people react to anything unusual. Their fears and anxieties seem to affect the haunting, what they imagine can get added on to whatever is there. It seems very difficult to change people's minds once they've decided that there is a haunting and that it is something to be afraid of.
moondark_lady
Oct. 11th, 2006 02:03 am (UTC)
There is a lot to be said for physically altering the landscape. Often, when I've helped someone who's been convinced there is 'something' lurking in their homes, the first thing that occurs to me is for them to clean the place from top to bottom, change all the linens, air the curtains and mattresses, etc. In a couple of more serious cases, I've asked the person to consider actually getting rid of the more 'portable' stuff (curtains, cushion covers, sheets, etc.) and bringing in entirely new furnishings.
candika
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:28 am (UTC)
I think I might have been banned as well. I sent in some of my Sakta poetry this moring and she hasn't put it up yet.
moondark_lady
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:34 am (UTC)
Give it 24 hours - the turnaround seems to be about a day. If it's rejected, you'll get a notification (if you've turned that feature on in your setup).
candika
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:57 am (UTC)
Thankyou. Maybe I'm just feeling edgy.
scarlett_heartt
Oct. 11th, 2006 02:34 am (UTC)
My instant response to this news is OH NO. NO NO NO NO. Gives us something to chat about while we wait for Miss Stubborn Wench to arrive though... lol
candika
Oct. 11th, 2006 06:45 am (UTC)
It sounds to me like there's a serious problem here. Is there no assumption of confidentiality here? What's she doing posting here about it. It really doesn't look like she knows what she's doing if she trawling for ideas.
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whispernox
Oct. 11th, 2006 08:26 am (UTC)
>(Of course, what do I know, I'm of the opinion that the Rituale Romanum >is the go-to source for effective exorcism practices. =P)

One of them, definately.
saint_of_me
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:11 pm (UTC)
Oh....
I Friended you, I THINK with your knowledge. Weeks ago.

I feel...kind of weird reading this since she posted about the failed exorcism to my community first. First place that I know about, anyway. (That was gloat-worthy.) Especially since you mention that 'Sally' perhaps has trouble being silent. As in, To Will, to Dare, and To Be Silent? How, how do I get around that to have people post to my community? It was this very thing that made me think I might make it a community completely invisible to outsiders. Nobody said they wanted that though. Besides, I didn't want it just to contain a clique of my LJ friends.

This is without having looked at the post, since this came up before that on my Friend's page.

The thing of it is, dark_experience was created for people who don't always know what they're doing. It's nearly possible to learn more from failing than from success, especially if the community doesn't get snide about it. It's a different learning.

Just my thoughts.
trahar
Oct. 12th, 2006 11:24 am (UTC)
Eilish here. thanks for your concern, I did ask questions on the
communities because I had doubted myself after Friday, I learned
today that the client had let it back in due to giving in to fear and
not trusting... despite me counselling her about psychic protection
tecnhiques, self empowerment and other maintenance issues. My techniques were sound. Believe it or not, since you haven't been in my life, I haven't lay stagnant, I've actually been doing a lot more learning, working, self development, research, my life hasn't remained frozen in time. We all have to start from somewhere. I admit when I don't know something, I don't pretend to be a 20th degree grand poohbah or anything. But I just wanted you to know that I've done our of learning with you what I did, for the lessons learned, for the love & friendship shared, for the journey so far walked. It's a shame shadows crept up for us. I had Liv with me today, she said what I did on Friday was fine & that the client had in fact manifested/let this thing in again. It's cleared now, I've done more counselling with the client to empower her further because the weakness was with her fears, that much was clear. I didn't charge any money for today this isn't about money OR ego. It was about doing what I could with the best of my abilities to rescue the client from awful psychic attack & preventing further re-invasions by working on her self-empowering/protection techniques.As for your continued dirty laundry issues with me & nasty back stabbing that just goes to show everyone here just WHO has the issues & who would rather hang on to shit than let things go & start healing. For all your wonderful gifts, your amazing intellect, you still have much to learn, as have I. The thing is, I'm not afraid to ask my peers for advice. To question myself. To review my work. To strive to improve & learn more through trial & error. You just don't let go of the past, that much is evident. You prefer to sustain dramas, & if anyone dares to question you or to disagree with you, then you wipe them or war with them.I hope you can get over your issues one day, because I still love you & mourn the loss of our friendship, not that you deserve to see the tears I shed in private, because dammit I miss you. I mourn you like there's been a death in the family. You know abandonment is an issue with me & your shunning feels like that, because I let you in my heart too, it wasn't just you who let me into yours. The feelings I have for you are so intense, they are definitely from other lifetimes not just from our experiences in this one. And it's not like I was seeking your approval
specifically, but it's nice if just once you could see the good I'm
trying to do, not focussing on everything negative from the past, we
all have weaknesses, or are you too arrogant to see that you in fact
may be biased here because I slept with your polyamorous husband a long time ago? And why is that all my fault? I didn't seduce him. It was an unfortunate bumbling due to us recognising each other's role in past lives & doing what stupid humans do when they try and work out a connection, they sometimes have sex, even if it's the worst thing that could happen. But there it is, we're humans & we're still learning & I'm so sorry I every hurt you. Honestly. It wasn't intentional. I wear a neon sign of apology in my aura when I'm in your space, but no apology will ever be good enough for you because you just can't forgive. I'm not afraid to say I fucked up when I did. We'd come a long way but at the merest hint of shadow, you shunned me again. I also question & review every action I've ever done. Believe it or not, I have a conscience, own my shadows, my failings, am harder on myself than you could ever be & am willing to begin mediation. It's you who refuses mediation, therefore there can never be any resolution while you are slandering my name all over the internet & still trying to build armies against me. We've obviously got past life issues, if we don't sort this out in this life, I'll see you in the next one & the next one, that is a promise I will hang on to that you can't banish because you have been party to the karmic vacuum that's now between us-
Eilish
duvessa_blood
Oct. 19th, 2006 12:36 pm (UTC)
Do you mind if I add you? We have interests and friends in common and I like your recent posts :)
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